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Old February 16th, 2008   #1
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THOSE ARE THE BOMB ....GREAT LINKS I THINK IT NEEDS A STICKY!!!!
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Is there one for 3-link w/out panhard? (ie rear) And translate forward from rear axle centerline? And is upper link Y basically the center of bolt hole for th joint? Same with Z (center of bolt hole?) Rest is pretty easy. Need to make link calculator for dummies.

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For a 3 link you would set your Y at the axle end to zero, and distances are to center of the hole.
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For a 3 link you would set your Y at the axle end to zero, and distances are to center of the hole.
yea.. use the 4 link one to set it up for a wishbone style 3 link.
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yea.. use the 4 link one to set it up for a wishbone style 3 link.
Thanks, In the 3 link w/panhard The upper is just a straight link correct?
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Depends where you put it most would have a slight angle to them since they would be either on the pumpkin of offset towards the pumpkin.
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Thanks, In the 3 link w/panhard The upper is just a straight link correct?
what do you mean by straight?
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What is Y
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As in XYZ, Y is 1/2 the horizontal separation of the links at frame or axle. If lowers are mounted 32" apart at the axle then Y is 16.
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As in XYZ, Y is 1/2 the horizontal separation of the links at frame or axle. If lowers are mounted 32" apart at the axle then Y is 16.
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What is the idea:

Antisquat% ?
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To be in or around the 75% range.
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To be in or around the 75% range.
so what does it mean if its over 100%
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so what does it mean if its over 100%
IT MEANS THAT THE REAR END WILL LIFT UNDER ACCELERATION...AS THE REAR AXLE TRIES TO DRIVE UNDER THE RIG!!!!YOU CAN COUNTER ACT IT WITH A SHORT CENTER LIMIT STRAP!!!!THE FIRST RIG I BUILT HAD 200% ANTI-SQUAT!!!!
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IT MEANS THAT THE REAR END WILL LIFT UNDER ACCELERATION...AS THE REAR AXLE TRIES TO DRIVE UNDER THE RIG!!!!YOU CAN COUNTER ACT IT WITH A SHORT CENTER LIMIT STRAP!!!!THE FIRST RIG I BUILT HAD 200% ANTI-SQUAT!!!!
If I recall it flexed too much too!
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If I recall it flexed too much too!
NO SUCH THING!!!I BUILT IT FOR MAD FLEX....BEFORE I KNEW IT WASNT NEEDED!!!!I COULD ALMOST DRIVE IT OFF OF THE TOP LDs 30 DEGREE RTI RAMP AND NOT LIFT ANY OF THE OTHER THREE TIRES!!!!
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NO SUCH THING!!!I BUILT IT FOR MAD FLEX....BEFORE I KNEW IT WASNT NEEDED!!!!I COULD ALMOST DRIVE IT OFF OF THE TOP LDs 30 DEGREE RTI RAMP AND NOT LIFT ANY OF THE OTHER THREE TIRES!!!!
Well the only pic I think I've seen of the thing has the rear axle at a steeper then 45 degree angle going over a rock
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Well the only pic I think I've seen of the thing has the rear axle at a steeper then 45 degree angle going over a rock
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YEAH NOTICE HOW THE COIL CAN COME UNSEATED(IN THE FIRST PIC)FROM THE UPPER MOUNT....THATS SOME FOOL-AWN CRAZY BACK YARD INNOVATION SO I COULD GET STUPID-SILLY-DEF-FLEX.....

I USED TO DRIVE THAT RIG ON THE BACK ROADS FROM LEMMON VALLEY TO THE MOONROCKS......
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Well its the first time and it is way above 100% so im definatly gonna need to strap it.


Ill try harder next time.
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YEAH NOTICE HOW THE COIL CAN COME UNSEATED(IN THE FIRST PIC)FROM THE UPPER MOUNT....THATS SOME FOOL-AWN CRAZY BACK YARD INNOVATION SO I COULD GET STUPID-SILLY-DEF-FLEX.....
kinda like Mark Halor's crazy coil setup on his blue 4runner....when I see that thing flex I just wanna run from it but it shure does get the job done
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Well its the first time and it is way above 100% so im definatly gonna need to strap it.


Ill try harder next time.
Be careful now, it all really depends on what you want to do with the rig. 100 percent means the rig will sit flat under accel. under means it will squat and over it will lift. Now for a comp rig I would set it up just above 100 as I did mine. I like it and it seems to work well for me. However, its like anything it will be good in some places and hurt you in others. For a road worthy rig at all I would set it up for around 75. Otherwise, research what you want your rig to do it what situations and then set it up form there...
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Im ready to do all the links on my project, just a few questions.
I know triangulation is good but is it neccessary on the front when Im gonna have full hydro and a panhard bar? Also is it neccessary on the rear with a wish bone upper?

Im talking about the lowers front and rear. The reason Im asking is the easiest location to mount my brackets on the frame and axle just happens to be in perfect allignment...Trianglating them will be a big pain in the rectum.
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Im ready to do all the links on my project, just a few questions.
I know triangulation is good but is it neccessary on the front when Im gonna have full hydro and a panhard bar? Also is it neccessary on the rear with a wish bone upper?

Im talking about the lowers front and rear. The reason Im asking is the easiest location to mount my brackets on the frame and axle just happens to be in perfect allignment...Trianglating them will be a big pain in the rectum.
Thanks for the help.
i dont know about the front, but on the rear if the lowers are parallel along the frame to the axle, your going to have massive amounts of rear steer. Rockape explained it to me like this" think of it as a triangle if you pivot the straight side(axle end) the lengths of the links dont change. if you make it a U shape then when you pivot the bottom side(axle) the links move more in a circular pattern(hence rear steer) if you can try to triangulate the lowers on the rear as much as you can and call it good.
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i dont know about the front, but on the rear if the lowers are parallel along the frame to the axle, your going to have massive amounts of rear steer. Rockape explained it to me like this" think of it as a triangle if you pivot the straight side(axle end) the lengths of the links dont change. if you make it a U shape then when you pivot the bottom side(axle) the links move more in a circular pattern(hence rear steer) if you can try to triangulate the lowers on the rear as much as you can and call it good.
JEEPERS GOT IT^^^....

THE FRONT ISNT AS CRITICAL ON A TRAILERED RIG BECAUSE IF IT HAS AXLE STEER YOU WILL COMPENSATE NATURALLY BY STEERING THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO GO!!!
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Figured I would have to triangulate them just checking...
Anybody have any ideas on what to do with the fuel lines on the inside of the frame rail.

Orginally I was gonna run the link bracket under the frame, now im gonna have to scrap the brackets I got from pollperformance and do somthing like this.

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Figured I would have to triangulate them just checking...
Anybody have any ideas on what to do with the fuel lines on the inside of the frame rail.
I KEPT THE FACTORY FUEL FILTER WENT TO NAPA AND GOT SOME FUEL INJECTION HOSE($3.00 A FOOT...)AND WENT SOFT HOSE TO THE FUEL CELL!!!

BUT I DID PUT THE FACTORY FUEL PUMP INTO AN ALUMINUM CELL SO THE GAS GAUGE WILL STILL WORK AS NEEDED!!!
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Figured I would have to triangulate them just checking...
Anybody have any ideas on what to do with the fuel lines on the inside of the frame rail.

Orginally I was gonna run the link bracket under the frame, now im gonna have to scrap the brackets I got from pollperformance and do somthing like this.
YOU CAN GO UNDER THE RAILS....THE GREEN JEEP THEY ARE THAT WAY..WITH YOUR AXLE SET-UP(AND 14FT RIDE HEIGHT..) I DOUBT THAT A LITTLE REAR STEER IS GONNA BE THE END OF THE WORLD!!!IF YOU WERE BUILDING A COMP BUGGY OR ARE JUST ANAL ABOUT DOING A LINK SET-UP WITH THE MOST ADVANTAGES...THEN BUILD A CROSSMEMBER
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I KEPT THE FACTORY FUEL FILTER WENT TO NAPA AND GOT SOME FUEL INJECTION HOSE($3.00 A FOOT...)AND WENT SOFT HOSE TO THE FUEL CELL!!!

BUT I DID PUT THE FACTORY FUEL PUMP INTO AN ALUMINUM CELL SO THE GAS GAUGE WILL STILL WORK AS NEEDED!!!



Were yours like these? My fuel fliter was right where I cut the frame. But there is also the brake lines.
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Were yours like these? My fuel fliter was right where I cut the frame. But there is also the brake lines.
YES JUST LIKE THAT BUT HAD BEEN CUT BEFORE I GOT IT...I JUST CUT THEM MORE!!!
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YOU CAN CUT AND REFLARE THE BRAKE LINE....GET SOME FLEX HOSES FROM THESE GUYS...
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A COUPLE FITTINGS(BOTTOM ROW THIRD OVER FROM THE LEFT...)THAT GO FROM HARD LINE TO 3AN BRAIDED HOSE...
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