THEROCKGODS.COM > Players Club > THE NOOBIE PLAYGROUND

THE NOOBIE PLAYGROUND For all those new to the ROCKGODS that might feel too intimidated to just jump right into the deep end, please feel free to post here. This is a flame free, ridicule free, rig bashing free zone so that you can get to know your fellow members under a ROCKGODS security blanket. Otherwise known as a Mr. Rockape/4x4Babe free zone.....

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Old January 5th, 2014   #1
Jeff Knoll
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
New guy.

Been around rocksports for a while, done a few things, now I am living in Reno. Heard this is a good place to find out where the good trails are.

Jeff Knoll
  Reply With Quote

Old January 5th, 2014   #2
MR.ROCKAPE
BANNED
 
MR.ROCKAPE's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04 Aug 2006
Age: 14
Posts: 12,975
MR.ROCKAPE is on a distinguished road
Welcome Jeff....

What kinda rig are you wheelin? There are alot of different level trails around...from mild to wild.
__________________
PROOF!!! THAT TALKIN SH!T ON THE INTERWEB CAN MAKE ME FAMOUS!!!!

MY VIDEO!!!--->ITS NEW!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVguvNE7qc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance View Post
Time and time again you prove you are the biggest idiot on Pirate4x4. God you're a fucking clown.
MR.ROCKAPE is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 5th, 2014   #3
deadandcompany
HARDCORE WEB WHEELER!!!
 
Join Date: 05 Aug 2006
Age: 36
Posts: 508
deadandcompany is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Knoll View Post
Been around rocksports for a while, done a few things

Such modesty!
deadandcompany is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 12th, 2014   #4
BMFNTOY
Wheeler
 
Join Date: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 308
BMFNTOY is on a distinguished road
welcome, but don't think we are just going to hand over the good trails to you, especially if you are trying to use them in your Silver State Jamboree event! Most of our trails are not public for a reason.......
__________________
Bad Mutha F'n TOY!!!

TFab 100 Proof "Getting it buggy" LS2/TH400/4 spd. Atlas/Prorock D60 front/D70U rear CTM 37/40 spline shafts thruout/42" Kevlar stickies on Racelines...blah blah blah........

R.I.P. Dave "Kyle" Halabuk
BMFNTOY is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 13th, 2014   #5
Jeff Knoll
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMFNTOY View Post
welcome, but don't think we are just going to hand over the good trails to you, especially if you are trying to use them in your Silver State Jamboree event! Most of our trails are not public for a reason.......
Heard that about you guys, and I am fairly sure my target demographic does not want to go that extreme. BUT Since you brought that up, let me share an opinion with you. Take it for what its worth.

There where some that expressed concern when Dave and I created KOH that we would wreck all the good trails in Johnson Valley. We both enjoy cutting trails, and I think history proves we protected the most challenging trails from getting stacked by the full body guys. If we had not created KOH there is no doubt in my mind that Johnson Valley would have been completely swallowed by the Marine Corps, and the Hammers would be gone. Somehow even with 30,000 people going to JV now for the week, and who knows how many new users in JV, the best trails are still pretty damn good, and even the popular trails get more difficult when KOH gets done with them.

So I offer this advice as Nevada goes from open use designation which allows us to develop new trails where ever we like and begins restricted use which will discontinue this freedom. Those of us that like to develop new opportunities, and test our skills on the trail and in the shop, will need to rethink our current position. If you want to protect those secret trails of yours you will need to make a choice. Gamble on getting them designated, or gamble on running them illegally. It may take a few years, but either way things seem to be changing in Northern Nevada.

Based on my past experience the best way I can see protecting trails is to make them an economic benefit to the region. While we like to think the BLM works for us, that is far from the case. I have had extensive interaction with the BLM, all the way to the Director in Washington DC, and I can tell you that they do not work for us. That being said they do have to answer to our elected officials, and those guys and girls have the ability to smack the BLM and USFS upside the head. Get the local politicians on your side and you get a voice with the BLM and USFS. (more with BLM than USFS)

This may help you see my vision for the Silver State Jamboree. If I can attract enough people to come to Northern Nevada, I can convince the powers that be in the value that motorized recreation brings to the region, and the value of maintaining and developing an extensive trail system.

As far as thinking you would hand over your trails, I would suggest that since they are on public land, they are our trails.

The reality is I was hoping I might find a few people that would consider entertaining a few U4 racers that are planning on coming up for the SSJambo like Loren, Shannon, Rick, Jason, Tom, Ect that want to run some trails when they are up here the week before the HellsGate Grand Prix. But that might require you share your secrets.

All kidding aside I don't blame you for keeping them secret, I had a few secrets in Johnson Valley, shamefully I never shared how awesome they where with anyone, and now they are getting absorbed into the base. Only two of us ever had the chance to run them.

BTW Give me a few years, and I might have some secret trails I can barter with.
There is way more opportunity here than there is at the Hammers, and I don't have to drive that far.
  Reply With Quote

Old January 13th, 2014   #6
wix
Hella sweet
 
wix's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06 Aug 2006
Age: 40
Posts: 2,016
wix is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Knoll View Post
There is way more opportunity here than there is at the Hammers, and I don't have to drive that far.
There is NOTHING even close to the hammers around here!!
wix is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 15th, 2014   #7
MR.ROCKAPE
BANNED
 
MR.ROCKAPE's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04 Aug 2006
Age: 14
Posts: 12,975
MR.ROCKAPE is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Knoll View Post
Heard that about you guys, and I am fairly sure my target demographic does not want to go that extreme. BUT Since you brought that up, let me share an opinion with you. Take it for what its worth.

There where some that expressed concern when Dave and I created KOH that we would wreck all the good trails in Johnson Valley. We both enjoy cutting trails, and I think history proves we protected the most challenging trails from getting stacked by the full body guys. If we had not created KOH there is no doubt in my mind that Johnson Valley would have been completely swallowed by the Marine Corps, and the Hammers would be gone. Somehow even with 30,000 people going to JV now for the week, and who knows how many new users in JV, the best trails are still pretty damn good, and even the popular trails get more difficult when KOH gets done with them.

So I offer this advice as Nevada goes from open use designation which allows us to develop new trails where ever we like and begins restricted use which will discontinue this freedom. Those of us that like to develop new opportunities, and test our skills on the trail and in the shop, will need to rethink our current position. If you want to protect those secret trails of yours you will need to make a choice. Gamble on getting them designated, or gamble on running them illegally. It may take a few years, but either way things seem to be changing in Northern Nevada.

Based on my past experience the best way I can see protecting trails is to make them an economic benefit to the region. While we like to think the BLM works for us, that is far from the case. I have had extensive interaction with the BLM, all the way to the Director in Washington DC, and I can tell you that they do not work for us. That being said they do have to answer to our elected officials, and those guys and girls have the ability to smack the BLM and USFS upside the head. Get the local politicians on your side and you get a voice with the BLM and USFS. (more with BLM than USFS)

This may help you see my vision for the Silver State Jamboree. If I can attract enough people to come to Northern Nevada, I can convince the powers that be in the value that motorized recreation brings to the region, and the value of maintaining and developing an extensive trail system.

As far as thinking you would hand over your trails, I would suggest that since they are on public land, they are our trails.

The reality is I was hoping I might find a few people that would consider entertaining a few U4 racers that are planning on coming up for the SSJambo like Loren, Shannon, Rick, Jason, Tom, Ect that want to run some trails when they are up here the week before the HellsGate Grand Prix. But that might require you share your secrets.

All kidding aside I don't blame you for keeping them secret, I had a few secrets in Johnson Valley, shamefully I never shared how awesome they where with anyone, and now they are getting absorbed into the base. Only two of us ever had the chance to run them.

BTW Give me a few years, and I might have some secret trails I can barter with.
There is way more opportunity here than there is at the Hammers, and I don't have to drive that far.
I think you are gonna have a hard time selling this idea to many locals. We have seen what has happened to the rubicon ,and pretty much any trail in CA. With designating of trails and roads.... a majority still got closed with the state citing they cant manage it and deem it easier to close for lack of $$$.

In my opinion, it was a stratgy used to make every trail and road known to do just that....CLOSE IT! And the few trails left in that state are always under attack and get made easier by law(in the case of the rubicon) to keep the big tire guys from wanting to bother with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Knoll View Post
As far as thinking you would hand over your trails, I would suggest that since they are on public land, they are our trails. .
True.... trails are on public land but ,at this time we believe giving locations are counter productive to keeping them for the same reason I stated above.

On the bright side...nevada is huge...lots of canyons to still explore and make trails in.

A small side note to may want to do a little research if you are planning to use bronco canyon during your event....land owners up there are extremely touchy.
__________________
PROOF!!! THAT TALKIN SH!T ON THE INTERWEB CAN MAKE ME FAMOUS!!!!

MY VIDEO!!!--->ITS NEW!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVguvNE7qc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance View Post
Time and time again you prove you are the biggest idiot on Pirate4x4. God you're a fucking clown.
MR.ROCKAPE is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 15th, 2014   #8
Jeff Knoll
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I can't blame you for that position. I would not suggest its wrong, Just my opinion that things have a better chance if there is a perceived value.

Rock trails I have in mind are on private property, and like your secret trails they are not readily accessible. Guess I am just as bad.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:44 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.2.4 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
TRG 2009